well, we often hear about, of course, $16 trillion national debt, a trillion dollar deficit first, the actual liabilities of the federal government, including social security, medicare, federal employees future retirement benefits exceeding $866trillion. by the way, that is five and a half times the size of our economy. joining us, former congressman bill archer, served as chairman of the powerful ways and means committee. he is a senior policy adviser at price waterhouse coopers, and it is great to see you, mr. chairman, once again. you look terrific. i enjoyed your op-ed along with chris cox. pointing out that essentially what a relief it was to find out of all have to worry about $16 trillion. i have to worry about $86 trillion. >> it is much bigger than what we were looking at. the so-called fiscal cliff is going to be just a slope and ultimately a relatively small indentation because in the long term when we began to look at the liabilities that we have committed to primarily medicare, but also social security and other ffderal retirement, it is massive. and this strange thing abo